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Username Post: barn find original 57 FI Bel Air convertible        (Topic#285946)
mlc48 
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08-27-12 04:58 AM - Post#2263536    
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08-27-12 11:31 AM - Post#2263660    
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Is the electrovac still mounted on the filler panel? Also, I couldn't see the switch on the vacuum wiper motor, but it looked like it has the fuse holder for the switch. Can you get more pics?
Tom Ordway tom@57chevys.com If you don't drive it, why have it?
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mlc48 
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08-27-12 02:20 PM - Post#2263722    
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I believe the fuse holder for electrovac is right next to the balast resister in the photo
Mike




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f.i.57chevynut 
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08-28-12 10:23 PM - Post#2264262    
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Looks good to me. I hope someone with appreciation for originality gets this car. Perfect clones can be built but an original unmolested original paint car can not be made. I'm afraid some big buck guy will get it and "restore" it with reproduction parts, because they look better than 50 year old parts. This car should be preserved like any other historic relic. Good luck.
Tom Ordway tom@57chevys.com If you don't drive it, why have it?
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08-29-12 01:49 PM - Post#2264459    
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it would be fun to see that car in person, looking it over for various details.
Peace,
John H.
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08-29-12 03:30 PM - Post#2264501    
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Obviously the pass car air cleaner has been replaced ------------------- which in my opinion is a better air cleaner than that 57 Vette air cleaner. Because the pass car air cleaner took in cooler outside air.

The FI unit appears to be a 4520, which would be correct for that build time on a pass car.

And, it appears there have been some home made modifications done to the FI unit. I can't quite tell anything from the picture. But I'm curious to know what that tube is that runs lengthwise between the center fins????
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08-29-12 03:49 PM - Post#2264508    
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Tom, It looks like the fuel line from the fuel filter to the fuel meter.
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mlc48 
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08-30-12 04:26 AM - Post#2264679    
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Tom its the removed fuel line that goes from the pump to the filter It's just laying there
Mike
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09-06-12 03:34 AM - Post#2266997    
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  • 57ChevyHT Said:
Here's one ready to go or 72k why buy a rust bucket. I don't think your going to get the barn find restored for 22k

http://vintageautohausand imports.com/10301-10350/1...



No ENGINE pictures??

 
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09-06-12 07:46 AM - Post#2267045    
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  • classicseven Said:
  • 57ChevyHT Said:
Here's one ready to go or 72k why buy a rust bucket. I don't think your going to get the barn find restored for 22k

http://vintageautohausand imports.com/10301-10350/1...



No ENGINE pictures??


I'm guessing you didn't scroll to the right to see the rest of the pics?
Charles

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56 BA 4dr. ht.(bought '98)
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Delco Hagan 
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10-08-12 09:35 AM - Post#2277836    
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To begin with, there is NO possibly way this car has a stuck motor and all the corrosion at 37,000 miles. Keep in mind the odometer only goes to 100,00 miles, then rolls over to 0, only to start again. It could have 137,000 or 337,00 miles who know's? Does the owner have any service records to truely document the miles? Are there any documents on the car, honestly showing it really is an FI car from day 1? Without a paper trail this could be like any other FI car out there. I have spoken the dozens of owners who claim their's is a real one. In reality they made less than a hundred FI convertibles & how many made it to today? Nearly everyone who had an FI car took the injector off in the 1st year because & changed it to a dual quad because of the problem with clogged injectors. While this car looks to be correct & may be, there are several things I question, The "corvette only" finned valve covers, the tube from the front of the dog house to the fuel unit looks like it may be a 4900 unit (58 on)There is 1 correct bolt on the fuel filter & 1 wrong which is no problem. Date code of the car is good for an FI car, 3 speeds & the 905 distributer normally came with the high horse, the low horse typically where equipted with automatics. Correct distributer for a 250 horse is the 906. Again, without a paper trail it is just another car. look's like a good builder, but I agree with the previous post, without paper it's another $25,000 car. The car market is in the tank, & resto on this car will be over a hundred thou. Good luck, Delco

 
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10-08-12 10:49 AM - Post#2277860    
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Have you looked along the OUTSIDE of the frame for the brake and fuel lines? Fuel line s/b 3/8".

I wouldn't restore this car - just clean it up and make everything functional again. Repaint the body to keep the rust at bay. A lot of work, but less time and $$$ than a full-on resto!!!

Worth making a play for - just NOT worth $50k.

Hope you can make a deal!

Good Luck, Tim
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DZAUTO 
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10-08-12 05:34 PM - Post#2277975    
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I want to see the notch in the hood brace (black car) for the FI air scoop.
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10-08-12 11:39 PM - Post#2278059    
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Early cars didn't have the scoop. I looked at a 57 hardtop at the 69 Winternationals, that belonged to the original owner and it had the low mounted inlet on the radiator mounting bolt. The unit was a 4520. Bob Castle, the original owner, even let this 19 year old ride in the car after getting through tech inspection. He even swapped out the 62 injector on his 57 150 racecar for the 520 unit off the hardtop, which he had used to tow the racecar to California from Newton, Kansas. The scoop was a later concoction, still on the drawing board in February of 57.
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10-09-12 12:20 AM - Post#2278066    
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Tom, did the scoop help the F.I. with the pressure build-up issues under the hood at speed (80+)?

Again, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Take Care, Tim
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10-09-12 09:04 AM - Post#2278148    
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Tim,
I've never owned a 57 pass car with FI, thus I have no personal experience with variations and/or performance effects as a result of the location of the air intake source. Possibly Tom Ordway has some better answers on the FI air intake on pass cars (behind the radiator support and down low vs. the scoop mounted on top of the radiator support. BUUUUUUUUUUUUT, here is what I CAN provide in the way of direct experience with my 56 Corvette with FI and a cold air intake (ala 57 Corvette "airbox").
I have always been a hard core lover of FI 57 Vettes, but there was never an opportunity to acquire one that suited me, nor was one available that I could afford. Sooooooo, I built one. I bought a 56 Vette in 73 and began to build it my way. First with a 327 and 2x4 carbs (because I had a matching set ready to go). A few years later I swapped a healthy 350 for the 327 and added a FI unit which had originally been modified by Bill Thomas (surely everyone knows Thomas' background and reputation). As time passed, I have done a few additional modifications to imporve the performance of the FI unit (various things I've learned over the years as a result of rebuilding FI units). In the extreme heat of summer driving, the FI just did not do well when stopped or moving very slowly. Once the speed picked up, the FI performed fine. Beginning in 58, all FI units had the air intake located on the left inner fender and the FI engine with solid lifters had a fresh air intake from the grill area. ONLY 43 57 Vettes had the Airbox option which used a hand laid fiberglass duct to provide fresh, cooler air from the grill area. And these cars ran like a scalded dog! All other 57 FI vettes took in HOT air from inside the engine compartment, and at idle and lower speeds, hot air coming up from the left exhaust manifold which didn't help things at all. I noticed on my 56 with FI, during extremely high heat conditions, when the engine was running poorly, if I raised the hood and let heat escape, then the engine almost immediately smoothed out and ran as it should.
Thus,to make this explanation a little shorter, I eventually acquired a 57 airbox and installed it on my 56. This simple addition of a method of providing cooler, outside air to the FI made a night and day difference (as I had hoped for).
With a more consistant source of cooler air coming into the FI unit, I have been able to accomplish a finer level of tune.
Now, with all this said, there still exists one problem that has not been completely eliminated, and it is a two part problem. One, is today's crap gas. The other is the resultant problem of vapor lock/percolation of gas in the fuel spider and tiny fuel delivery lines between the top of the FI adapter plate and the FI plenum which go out to the nozzles. Some people have rigged up a method of ducting outside air from the heater fresh air hose, with a blower, directly to the space between the adapter plate and the plenum.
I'm sure this ducted, cooler air to the fuel spider/lines makes a difference during high heat conditions. As of now, I choose not to do this to my FI setup (but it probably does help). The improved performance that resulted by just installing the 57 style airbox has helped so much that at this time, I'm not interested in doing any other modifications. Not only during high heat conditions has my FI unit performed much better, but during cooler weather conditions, it REALLY likes the cooler air and will idle all day long without problems.

Soooooooooooo, after all of the above, to answer your question about the advantage of the scoop above the radiator support on 57 pass cars, I would truly expect an improvement in FI performance.
Also, one additional comment that I feel is directly related, is the air space and exhaust heat effects of a pass car vs. a Vette.
The Corvettes have a much smaller engine compartment than pass cars, thus the heat retention under the hood of a Vette is probably higher than it is on a 57 pass car. Additionally, the air cleaner on 57 (NON-airbox) Vettes is directly above the left exhaust manifold. Whereas, on 57 pass cars, the air cleaner is enclosed and mounted over the forward portion of the intake manifold and the air is supplied to it AHEAD of exhaust heat. For 57 pass cars with the scoop mounted on top of the radiator support, it receives considerably cooler air which should be a considerable benefit to the performance of the FI unit.
NONE of the early Rochester FI units like heat!!!

Here are some examples of Vettes with FI and the ducting of outside cooler air that is supplied to the intake side of the FI unit.
The first pictures are the 57 style airbox that I've added to my 56.







Here is an example of air cleaner on a 57 Vette which is directly over the left exhaust manifold. As can obviously be seen, during high heat conditions (hot summer time), heat rising from the left manifold is sucked directly into the air cleaner.


This is one of the original 43 57 Vettes with the airbox option. This one has been setup for racing (and basically, these airbox cars were factory built race cars).










Beginning with the 58 Vettes (up through 62), ALLLLLLLLLLLLL FI cars got an enclosed air cleaner mounted to the left inner fender panel which took in cooler air.




This is the type of air cleaner used on all 63-65 FI Vettes.



Back in 57 and 58, even Pontiac recognized the need for ducting cooler air to the FI engines (oh ya, the 57 Olds with FI had ducted cooler air going to the FI unit----------------didn' t know about that one, did you!).


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10-09-12 11:07 AM - Post#2278183    
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THANKS TOM for the fantastic pics and text!!!

I agree Tom, today's gas does not sit well with these old Fulies. It doesn't seem to matter what brand, chepo or branded - it will ALL vapor-lock in HOT, MUGGY weather. I've been adding Marvel Mystery Oil to my gas at fill-ups, seems to help a little to raise the boiling point. I've been told of some Vette guys adding a qt. of diesel fuel to each tank. NO THANKS, as 91 here in Cali is $4.75 and up - my 9.5-283 seems happy with 89 fuel. The 'Widow does struggle on a long slow cruse loop and will stall, but I'm getting better at restarting when it's hot - I don't press down on the throttle as much (not quite 1/2), usually catch it on the first try. I pack a 12v fan and a spray bottle to squirt the lines and spiders when it won't re-fire - haven't used it in a while!

My unit is a '58 - 4900, picks up air from the driver's side sail panel. It would be cool to copy Tom Ordway's scoop and mount it on the core support, notching out the hood brace - I HAVE seen his scoop in the flesh! For now, I'm thinking about ordering the 3/8" lines and sender for the outside of the frame rails, moving the brake line too! ANYTHING to keep the fuel a little cooler...Plus, the car would look more correct!

I know about the air pressure build-up issues the SEDCO cars had, soooooooo just had to ask! But then there is the story that the Fulies were changeed out for the dual-quads AFTER the Daytona Beach race - Dale Swanson's car finished 2nd there with the quads, behind Cotton Owen's Poncho.

Thanks Again Tom! Take Care, Tim
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