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Username Post: How to tell a true SS        (Topic#243948)
highroller4321 
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06-16-10 04:38 PM - Post#1931408    

Hi everyone,

I am looking at a car and need some help please.

How do you easily tell if a 1961 impala is a true SS? It has a P case POSI and a B-W T-10 4 speed in it. Also has power steering and power brakes Now here is the tricky part?! No engine in it and no emblems on it. I can't see the dash well enough in the pictures to see if it has grab bar and tach is missing or wasen't there to begin with....
Correct me if I am wrong:

1961 impala SS

Has to have 348 or 409.
Has to have big block emblems.
Has to have sun tach on column.
Has to have "Grab bar" on dash.
Has to have 4 speed tranny.
Has to have POSI rearend.

I don't belive the cowl tag will decode that its an SS or not??

Any help would be apprecaited!

Thanks

HR

Edited by highroller4321 on 06-16-10 04:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Rusty Everitt 
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06-16-10 04:42 PM - Post#1931415    
    In response to highroller4321

1961-The first year of the Supersport and released in February of 1961. There were only 453 Supersports made in this first year but in order to be a true SS, the car would have to have a 348 or 409 engine as there were no small block or 6 cylinder SS cars in this year. It was available with 5 choices of powerplants including; 305hp 348 w/4 speed, 305hp w/powerglide, 340hp w/4 speed, 350hp w/4 speed, and the 360hp 409 w/4 speed.
The 348 350 hp (FH code), this was the only 3x2 motor available in the SS. Check the coil mounting, should be up in the recess area beside the wiper motor. all the above engines had exhaust manifolds with 2 1/2" outlets with 2 1/2" exhaust pipes.


4-speed transmission or with the 348/305 engine a choice of H.D. Powerglide or 4-speed

409 4-speed trans had an all aluminum case, 348 had iron main case.

all the above engines had exhaust manifolds with 2 1/2" outlets with 2 1/2" exhaust pipes.

4-speed transmission or with the 348/305 engine a choice of H.D. Powerglide or 4-speed

409 4-speed trans had an all aluminum case, 348 had iron main case.

1961 was the first year for 1" white wall tires, 8.00x14, which only came on the SS models, all SS models had black rims regardless of body color.

All had higher rate springs and heavy duty shocks as well as power steering and power brakes with sintered metallic brake linings. All had a steering column mounted Sun tachometer and the special sender unit to operate it would be bolted to the inner fender in the engine compartment.

The tach (did not have red-line) was a required option on the SS, as was P.S, P.B., metalic brakes, HD springs and shocks front and rear and padded dash. These options were required before the RPO 240 (SS equipment) could be ordered.

The Supersports would also have all the SS emblems or special trim inside and out, padded dash and simulated knock off wheel covers as well as a passenger side grab bar and no cross flags on the dash. Another way to help determine a Supersport for this year is by checking the mounting holes for this grab bar. If installed at the factory, it will have an oval mounting hole. Forgers will often just drill round holes not knowing this. Dealers would often add the over the counter Supersport dress up package to regular Impala's to help move cars off the lot. These cars are not real Supersports.



 
highroller4321 
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06-16-10 04:53 PM - Post#1931423    
    In response to Rusty Everitt



The 1 picture that I have of the inside.

 
doubleE 
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06-17-10 03:22 AM - Post#1931619    
    In response to highroller4321

Just going off that picture alone, I'm guessing the seller is calling it an SS based only on the bucket seats. As we all know the 61 SS had a bench seat. Buckets 1st year was 62.

I don't believe the posi rear was one of the manditory options. And as the previous post pointed out, there was a powerglide availible with one of the 348 engines.

I would base any offers on the bases that it is NOT an SS.

Eric
Proud owner of My Blue 62 Impala SS


 
real61SS 
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06-17-10 04:22 AM - Post#1931637    
    In response to doubleE

"I don't believe the posi rear was one of the manditory options."

This is correct.....Posi traction was not one of the manditory options for a '61SS
Tommy's Early Muscle Cars
61 Impala SS 409/360 4 speed
61 Ford Starliner 390/401 4 speed
61 Pontiac Ventura 425A 4 speed
62 Corvette 327/300 4 speed
63 Ford Galaxie XL 406/4 speed
64 Plymouth 426 4 speed


 
highroller4321 
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06-17-10 04:45 PM - Post#1931925    
    In response to real61SS

So really this car is very easy to fake and there is NO way to tell an excellent fake from a real one?

 
bowtieollie 
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06-18-10 04:29 AM - Post#1932116    
    In response to highroller4321

These cars are very easy to fake.
But, if a person is very astute with their "SS" knowledge, there are usually one or two areas, that faked cars will not muster.....

And the arguments begin.....
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Jalapeno 
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06-18-10 07:37 AM - Post#1932194    
    In response to highroller4321

Very hard to tell a reall SS from a handful of photos taken by the seller.

The BEST way to determine if this is a true SS is to visit it in person with someone who knows exactly what to look for, which may or may not be feasible.
Jalapeno


 
real61SS 
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06-18-10 07:41 AM - Post#1932196    
    In response to highroller4321

  • highroller4321 Said:
So really this car is very easy to fake and there is NO way to tell an excellent fake from a real one?



To answer your question.....in my opinion, a '61SS is one of the easest cars there is to clone and one of the hardest to detect. However, there are usually ways to detect the clones.
Tommy's Early Muscle Cars
61 Impala SS 409/360 4 speed
61 Ford Starliner 390/401 4 speed
61 Pontiac Ventura 425A 4 speed
62 Corvette 327/300 4 speed
63 Ford Galaxie XL 406/4 speed
64 Plymouth 426 4 speed


 
highroller4321 
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06-18-10 10:27 AM - Post#1932252    
    In response to real61SS

WEll yes thanks to you guys I know most of the little tell tale signs. It seems to be though that with a little effort and knowledge a 61 SS is easily cloned!

Whats weird is that you even look at some auctions sites and they say that the car is a 61 SS but than the tach is wrong, or in the wrong place, or missing.

 
arnieg141 
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06-18-10 11:10 AM - Post#1932276    
    In response to highroller4321

if it has org. back seat pull out bottom sometimes the build sheet will be in the springs of seat .that would tell all.
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Bobaloo 
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06-18-10 11:48 AM - Post#1932296    
    In response to arnieg141

When chasing down "original" cars, I have to think about my buddy Gary, who bought a brand new 62 Impala with a 283 2 barrel, immediately had his friend in the dealerships shop put on a 4 barrel intake (correct date code) and carb, then to make matters more confusing, put 327 flags on the fenders. I cant remember if he changed the valve covers away from the script covers.
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Dixie Dude 
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06-18-10 02:40 PM - Post#1932389    
    In response to Bobaloo

Why didn't he just order a 327/250 probably only a $100 option at that time ?? Probably spent more for the carb & Manifold plus he would have had dual exhaust too boot !!!

 
wagonmaster 
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06-18-10 02:47 PM - Post#1932392    
    In response to Dixie Dude

I think the 327/250 was about $35-$40.over the 283...
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Bobaloo 
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06-18-10 06:44 PM - Post#1932528    
    In response to wagonmaster

I should have added it was the end of the model year and he got a "deal" on the Impala, (he wanted an S S), and the smaller engine. Although the 283 with the better intake and carb was certainly no slouch.
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doubleE 
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06-21-10 03:01 PM - Post#1933775    
    In response to wagonmaster

A 61 SS clone might be easy to get by your average car enthusist but our well read CT members that read the 61-64 forum should be very hard to fake out! Not saying it's impossible but near impossible to have all the correct items. In my humble opinion a 62 or 63 would be easier to get past the experts with the right cowl tag.

The 62 had the 235 Six as standard (base price of $2669 for a Impala 2 door hardtop, body style 1747). Another $107 got you the same car (1847 body style) with a 283. In other words, the base pricr of the 1847 283 car was $2776. To upgrade to a 250 hp 327 was $83.95 and the 300 hp 327 was $137.70. There were two 409 engines too, the 380 hp was $320.00 and the 409 hp was $376.00 The $56 bucks to get 29 extra horses with the 409 hp would have been money well spent.

Eric

Proud owner of My Blue 62 Impala SS


 
fbi9c1 
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06-21-10 03:26 PM - Post#1933793    
    In response to doubleE

Our '62 409HP dual quad 409, 4spd, posi, power steering, buckets, Impala SS had a sticker of $3,800 and change IIRC.
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