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Username Post: Finding #1 spark plug on distributor cap        (Topic#237759)
ttowka 
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03-14-10 12:46 PM - Post#1879958    

I think when changing cap i messed up firin order. I know 18436572 is the order but which one on the cap is #1

350 smallblock 1980 k-20 4x4

 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 12:50 PM - Post#1879960    
    In response to ttowka

This one right here, I know it's a BBC, still the same.



Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 12:57 PM - Post#1879965    
    In response to fritz1990

thank you so much never thought someone would download pic. Helps alot


 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 01:02 PM - Post#1879969    
    In response to ttowka

You're

It has been asked a few times and pics are easier than typin'.


Glad to help!

Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 01:04 PM - Post#1879973    
    In response to ttowka

hmmm not sure but 18436572 starting from there didnt work made it worse


 
Petroholic 
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03-14-10 01:15 PM - Post#1879980    
    In response to ttowka

Just set your motor at TDC and where the rotor is pointing is #1. ..am I right?



 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 01:40 PM - Post#1879992    
    In response to Petroholic

im by my self so gettin TDC is problem till i can get help ...... Fritz are u sure about the pic


 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 01:51 PM - Post#1879997    
    In response to ttowka

could it be because when i changed cap and rotor i didnt replace little peace under coil inside of cap
Has a little spring on it

Distributor BUTTON thats what it is

Edited by ttowka on 03-14-10 02:07 PM. Reason for edit: found what parts called

 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 02:25 PM - Post#1880008    
    In response to ttowka

Its gettin dark guess im done for the day (plus im gettin mad feel like setting truck on fire)

If anyone has any info that can help let me know

Ill check the site later thanks

 
DEI8FAN 
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03-14-10 02:37 PM - Post#1880014    
    In response to ttowka

pull number 1 plug (the front on drivers side) have someone bump the key for you or use a starter button. hold your finger in the plug hole until the compression blows your finger off. Line the mark on the balancer to the tap at top dead center and look where the rotor is pointing. that will be number 1 compression stroke. If you had the distributor out or someone else did it may not have lined up on the oil pump shaft. aka it may be off. the rotor moves clockwise.
1959 El Camino
1970 El Camino
1981 Corvette
2004 Z71
2005 Monte Carlo


Edited by DEI8FAN on 03-14-10 02:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Anonymous 

03-14-10 02:52 PM - Post#1880021    
    In response to ttowka

  • ttowka Said:
hmmm not sure but 18436572 starting from there didnt work made it worse




Try this picture of my distributor. It shows a little more of a closeup:



The plug wire that is off is #1. Check its orientation to the Vacuum advance can and the distributor cap mounting screws.

 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 02:53 PM - Post#1880022    
    In response to DEI8FAN

I didnt remove the distributor so should still be right. im try the finger/screwdriver in piston timing trick tomorrow but my Q still is do i need to go get the button (that i lost) i had to put the old one in

 
ttowka 
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03-14-10 02:56 PM - Post#1880024    
    In response to Bobs85PU

thanks thats 2 people that have said its at front right so my order is correct

 
DEI8FAN 
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03-14-10 03:34 PM - Post#1880048    
    In response to ttowka

Well drivers side is the left but I was in parts so I used to ask driver or passenger?
1959 El Camino
1970 El Camino
1981 Corvette
2004 Z71
2005 Monte Carlo


 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 03:45 PM - Post#1880059    
    In response to Bobs85PU

  • Bobs85PU Said:
  • ttowka Said:
hmmm not sure but 18436572 starting from there didnt work made it worse




Try this picture of my distributor. It shows a little more of a closeup:



The plug wire that is off is #1. Check its orientation to the Vacuum advance can and the distributor cap mounting screws.



Same place as my pic. This is where the factory puts #1. If the dist has been out per PO they may not have put #1 there. Only way to know is find tdc and align rotor with Factory #1.

Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 03:51 PM - Post#1880063    
    In response to ttowka

  • ttowka Said:
I didnt remove the distributor so should still be right. im try the finger/screwdriver in piston timing trick tomorrow but my Q still is do i need to go get the button (that i lost) i had to put the old one in



You should be able to use the old rubber gasket, spring, and button from the old one if it isn't burnt.

Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


 
Anonymous 

03-14-10 04:48 PM - Post#1880085    
    In response to fritz1990

Hey Jeff, I hope you don't think I was tying to upstage you...I just thought a closeup Pic would help...

 
C10 Sleeper 
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03-14-10 05:47 PM - Post#1880111    
    In response to Bobs85PU

Just to keep things easy so I don't have to think too hard. Any time I pull the plug wires or distributor I will set my timing mark on the balancer to 0 and check to make sure the rotor is pointing towards the number 1 spark plug hole before I do anything. As long as I don't have to turn the motor it keeps things on the really easy side and if it takes me a few days to get everything back together I don't have any problems
I do everything with out any helpers so it just keeps everything simple so I can focus more on why I had to do what ever I am doing.
http://photobucket.com/C10Pictures


 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 05:50 PM - Post#1880113    
    In response to Bobs85PU

No, not at all Bob. I thought that he might have been or was going to be confused. That was a way better pic than I had anyways.

Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


 
Anonymous 

03-14-10 07:35 PM - Post#1880177    
    In response to fritz1990

  • fritz1990 Said:
No, not at all Bob. I thought that he might have been or was going to be confused. That was a way better pic than I had anyways.

Regards, Jeff



A while back, I bought a Digital Camera that has Macro capability...works great for taking closeup pics!!

 
fritz1990 
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03-14-10 07:49 PM - Post#1880186    
    In response to Bobs85PU

Mine has macro too, just that I didn't need it for that pic I took 4 years ago. It's the only one I had that I knew showed what I wanted to show. Then I had to take it into paint to scribble.

Like I have said before, I am no good at conveyin' my thoughts to finger words.

Regards, Jeff
1998 K1500 6.5 Coal burner
1965 C10 with 498 BBC AFR Heads
1964 C10 Ran 348W for 6 years, now SBC.

Corvettes owned: '74 '77 '78 L82 Silver Anniversary, 2002 LS1

Don't have a nervous come together!

http://picasaweb.google.com/fritz199090


Edited by fritz1990 on 03-14-10 07:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
dbradley 
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03-14-10 08:14 PM - Post#1880196    
    In response to ttowka

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/attachment.php?att...
Dave Bradley
62 Belair 496 TKO600
33 3W Master Coupe
06 C6 coupe 6spd


 
Anonymous 

03-14-10 08:18 PM - Post#1880197    
    In response to fritz1990

Jeff, as a 15 year Technical Writer, I learned one thing...a picture is worth a million words!!!

I could spend X amount of time and X number of words, explaining how to properly refer to left/right in regard to describing locations on a vehicle...but a picture with a few words works better!!! And if one keeps in mind, all components are referred to in the same way...the front of the engine, is to the front...the left side of a distributor, is to the left...

ttowka, this is for your future reference...



 
Anonymous 

03-14-10 08:23 PM - Post#1880200    
    In response to dbradley

  • dbradley Said:


Another very good example of a picture/drawing saving a million words!!!

 
ttowka 
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03-15-10 03:41 PM - Post#1880584    
    In response to Bobs85PU

Ok good news bad news
Good news my timings on or atleast within a 1/8 turn of distributor And thank to yalls help i know the plug wires are in the right spot

Bad news i tried crankin it and it sound like it was popin thru carb (after pourin gas in carb because i changed my fuel filter and if you run that truck out of gas it needs a shot or 2. Same as changing fuel filter lines empty). Ok now im checkin other stuff besides timin issue. I found when i took off fuel line and cranked it no fuel at all cam thru and iv run the battery bout dead twice messin with timing. and it ran before i park it and replaced Cap and rotor and coil

So my Q is: It gettin no gas and me pouring gas in cause pops thru carb

And Vaughn told me in other post Check for proper fuel supply to carb and i didnt stupid

Little more info at http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?ti...

Edited by ttowka on 03-15-10 03:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Anonymous 

03-15-10 05:40 PM - Post#1880685    
    In response to ttowka

To ensure I understand everything...this problem didn't rear its ugly head until you replaced the distributor cap, but then reinstalled an old (possibly bad) part (the distributor rotor, or is it the spring loaded button in the middle of the distributor cap)...correct?

If you are back firing through the carburetor, that means (electrically) one of two or three things...

1. Your timing is too far advanced...but, as you haven't moved the distributor, we can eliminate that as a possibility!

2. You've reinstalled the spark plug wires starting at the location of #1 cylinder Jeff and I indicated in our pictures...and, you installed them in the correct direction (clockwise looking down at the distributor cap) as dbradley showed in this illustration:



And are you sure, you traced every plug wire to verify each wire is in it's proper position in the distributor cap

3. You reinstalled a bad part (the old part).

The best advise I can give you, is two fold:

1. Recheck every wires position...verify that you are positive every wire is going to the correct spark plug...in the proper direction (clockwise).

2. Replace the old part...which I assume is the rotor...and if it's the button from the middle of the distributor cap, I'd go buy a new cap, and start over.

Something else I just thought of...and I almost did this to my engine, twice in the last year...be damn sure you have the distributor rotor indexed correctly...the rotor can be installed 180 degrees out if you don't watch what your doing, and "force it back on"..

There are two small "pegs" on the bottom of the rotor...it is possible, but not probable, you could have done that.

The other thing I thought of, was do you have the distributor cap securely on the body of the distributor...and all lock tabs are in place...use your fingers to ensure the tabs are between the "tits" at all locations on the distributor body.

 
Impalaman1966 
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03-16-10 03:22 PM - Post#1881167    
    In response to Bobs85PU

Be aware that you can put Number One terminal anywhere on the distributor. Most of us make sure the rotor points to the number one cylinder, just to make things easier in the future. Someone once upon a time may have done yours differently.
And do what Bob said to do.


 
uk ss 
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03-17-10 02:55 AM - Post#1881441    
    In response to Impalaman1966

Shot in the dark..........Did you change the rotor arm and put it on backwards? Difficult i know but my wife managed to do it!!
Jay

dumb a ss brit!!
67 impala 396ss
1992 s10

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dbradley 
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03-17-10 06:12 PM - Post#1881865    
    In response to uk ss

The old square peg in the round hole thing..........
Dave Bradley
62 Belair 496 TKO600
33 3W Master Coupe
06 C6 coupe 6spd


 
Anonymous 

03-17-10 06:20 PM - Post#1881874    
    In response to dbradley

  • dbradley Said:
The old square peg in the round hole thing..........



You got it...with a good quality rotor, I don't think (I know, there I go thinking!!), you could reverse the rotor...With some of the junk plastic parts available now days, It's a real possibility.

 
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