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Username Post: Rams horn manifols vs Headers?        (Topic#226992)
Number21 
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10-01-09 09:29 PM - Post#1781595    

I've got a '79 1 ton truck with a 350 and my ultimate goal is somewhere close to 1HP/CI. I'm starting with the exhaust, because it needs it now. I was going to buy a cheap set of headers from Jegs, because my stock log manifolds are rusted out, but then I realized the "rams horn" type exhaust manifolds are even cheaper. I like to use genuine GM parts when I can, and the manifolds are probably less likely to leak than cheap headers.

Anyway...how would the performance compare between 2.5" oulet rams head manifolds or 2.5" collector headers? Behind that I'll be running new duals, probably 2.5" the whole way.

 
55chevy383 
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10-02-09 06:22 AM - Post#1781703    
    In response to Number21

Headers will perform better, if you can afford them get them.

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Big Jacks Auto 
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10-02-09 06:39 AM - Post#1781711    
    In response to Number21

I was actually stuck running a set of the 2.5" rams horns manifolds on my blown small block about ten years back
they actually peformed pretty well
I would go with the headers for performance reasons on anything over say 250 hp
proably will gain more in the mid to higher rpm ranges with the headers. of course you will experience more rust issues if driven in snow or wet weather and leak issues and of course the headers will be louder under the hood than the manifolds
getting 350 hp out of a 350 is pretty easy these days
if you have a set of 1.94 x 1.50 heads just install a comp cams 280 magnum cam and an edelbrock performer or performer eps or rpm manifold
you can get 400 hp with the 292 magnum cam but you may experience some issues with clearance depending on the pistons.
let me know if you need any specific examples of using these cams in 350's
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DavidTX 
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10-02-09 07:01 AM - Post#1781722    
    In response to Big Jacks Auto

You know the old saying "You can pay me now or you can pay me later". Get porcelain covered headers. They will last almost forever and reduce the under hood heat considerably. In the long run they will be more efficient and save you money.


 
Impala65SS 
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10-02-09 12:22 PM - Post#1781868    
    In response to Number21

Yes to headers.
Ultimately either stainless, hard chromed or ceramic coated are the best longterm choice - until then, get a pair of used headers. If not else, to act as a mock-up to build the exhaust you want for the future proper headers. I've never bought a pair of new headers - always used or they were already on the vehicle - never had a leak problem from head flanges or collector flanges even reused collector flange gaskets. I did have rust holes though... I will get a pair of stainless longstyle headers for my suburban though.

The flow impairment of any log style or rams horns is just too great to even consider 30hp down the drain for no good reason.
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52chevybob 
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10-02-09 02:53 PM - Post#1781961    
    In response to Impala65SS

If you want a loud exhaust, go with the headers as they will participate in the sound. The CI Rams horn manifold will be a lot quieter and not lose all that much power. Use the large ones from Speedway.
Also, if yoou're in the rust belt, headers will quickly rust away if they're not coated and even then, they'll still go.

 
wheelman 
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10-02-09 03:55 PM - Post#1782011    
    In response to 52chevybob

I use the rams horns on my 327 that puts out roughly estimated 300-325HP and I considered switching to Headers(full tube) but live by the ocean so rust is an issue as well is the fact that mny accessories bolt to the exhaust manifolds and my heads have no accessory holes so I would have to get extra custom bracketry, so I stayed with Rams Horns and they work pretty darn good.
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awsum55 
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10-02-09 04:29 PM - Post#1782030    
    In response to wheelman

Headers will only make a significant difference in the top end. I wouldn't worry about using rams horns unless you are going to race it.
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MikeB 
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10-02-09 06:48 PM - Post#1782109    
    In response to Number21

If you get the 2.5" ram's horns, make sure your crossmember won't interfere with the straight down dumps. My 69 2WD pickup requires the angled back versions that are only available in 2.0".

I doubt you would ever notice any seat-of-the pants performance difference between 2.5" rams horns and headers on a street engine. And the rams horns will never leak, warp, or have their coatings bubble or flake off. And the thick cast iron keeps the heat inside the manifolds, where it's supposed to be, instead of heating up brake and fuel lines.
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Impala65SS 
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10-03-09 06:38 AM - Post#1782241    
    In response to 52chevybob

  • 52chevybob Said:
If you want a loud exhaust, go with the headers as they will participate in the sound. The CI Rams horn manifold will be a lot quieter and not lose all that much power. Use the large ones from Speedway.
Also, if yoou're in the rust belt, headers will quickly rust away if they're not coated and even then, they'll still go.



I guess sound is perceived differently - but I just compare with my Biscayne 2" Hooker competition headers, 3" homemade exhaust, homemade X-pipe, 3" exit in front of rear wheels, no mufflers... At normal crusing it's OK, - when taking over, they will know I'm coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o&a mp;fea...


 
Impala65SS 
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10-03-09 06:43 AM - Post#1782245    
    In response to awsum55

  • awsum55 Said:
Headers will only make a significant difference in the top end. I wouldn't worry about using rams horns unless you are going to race it.


Well, the fuel consumption can easily be knocked off with 10% - I'd say 25% in many cases. all due to better flow and better scavenging (less charge dilution)... and knowing there is more in the top rpm is a good feeling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o&a mp;fea...


 
awsum55 
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10-03-09 08:54 PM - Post#1782607    
    In response to Impala65SS

I just switched from long tube headers to rams horns on my Vette and can see no difference at all.
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Impala65SS 
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10-04-09 03:40 AM - Post#1782653    
    In response to awsum55

  • awsum55 Said:
I just switched from long tube headers to rams horns on my Vette and can see no difference at all.


When I swap parts I don't expect any radical change from, let's say switching the alternator position from passenger side to driver side, I generally don't make an effort to verify an impact from the change either. So given your assumption - headers and cast manifolds don't make a difference - did you actually bother to verify

The reason I know, I fool around with my daily drivers as well, where I keep a fairly tight log over fuel consumption.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o&a mp;fea...


 
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10-04-09 12:14 PM - Post#1782809    
    In response to DavidTX

  • DavidTX Said:
You know the old saying "You can pay me now or you can pay me later". Get porcelain covered headers. They will last almost forever and reduce the under hood heat considerably. In the long run they will be more efficient and save you money.



I agree here.. You may be able to do what I did and find a set of used Doug Thorley Tri-Y headers on Craigslist or Ebay. They are IMO the BEST header design and setup for a small block chevy. You will gain HP/TQ and fuel mileage over even the Rams Horn manifolds. I had what I consider the BEST cast iron manifolds (late model LT1) and got a noticeable seat of the pants increase over them.
1983 G20 Van, 350 TPI, Ported 906 Vortecs, Edelbrock 3817 Base, ASM oversize runners. Reed Custom Roller cam, 700r4, 12 bolt with 3.08 gears, Doug Thorley Tri-Y headers, true duals


 
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