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Username Post: starter not engaging flywheel        (Topic#226155)
busyguy8 
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09-18-09 10:21 PM - Post#1774430    

Hey guys, I went to turn the starter tonight just to make sure it would turn, engage, and stop turning when I let go off the key.

Turning the key the whole way seems to turn the starter, but not engage the flywheel. It does stop turning the starter when I release the key.

Is this usually an adjustment issue?

Thanks!
-b
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busyguy8 
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09-18-09 11:07 PM - Post#1774434    
    In response to busyguy8

ok, so I got under the car and had the wife turn the key. the starter gear spins, but it does not protude outward to engage the flywheel.

Any thoughts?
Aquired a '56 2dr hdtp BelAir on 6/9/05!
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DZAUTO 
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09-19-09 12:12 AM - Post#1774441    
    In response to busyguy8

Usually, that is an indication that the starter drive (the little gear inside the starter nose) has gone bad. Depending on your familiarization with starter maintence/repair, it is a relatively easy part to replace. Of course, it requires removing the starter and removing the nose to replace the starter drive. Otherwise, you need to take it off and have a shop do it that specializes in starter/alternator repair, or, take it to your local auto parts store and exchange it. If it is the ORIGINAL starter to your car, repair it!!!
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busyguy8 
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09-19-09 08:38 AM - Post#1774557    
    In response to DZAUTO

that sucks. I bought this starter a couple of years ago from a CT member a new starter. I beleive it's a Powermaster 19000 that can be used for a 153 or 168 tooth flywheel. This was my first time putting power to it, so I had no clue that it may not work.

Are there any other possibities before I take it off?
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swbatt 
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09-19-09 10:41 AM - Post#1774599    
    In response to busyguy8

Maybe it's stuck. Try tapping/lightly beating on it. In the olden days we used to short across the solenoid sometimes.

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Edited by swbatt on 09-19-09 10:42 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
beejay 
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09-19-09 11:22 AM - Post#1774619    
    In response to busyguy8

" I bought this starter a couple of years ago from a CT member a new starter."

Hmmm, Think that might be why he sold it??? Just kidding. A CT member wouldn't dare skru another on a deal!!!

I agree with the hammer, just not a BFH and pounding on the starter. Taps might spring it loose.
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09-19-09 12:07 PM - Post#1774638    
    In response to busyguy8

Hi BG. I had the same problem with my powermaster starter a while back. I found that the retainer behind the pinion had come off. This fixed it. It may not be this exact one, so I would make sure that will fit your particular starter before you order one, if that is the problem.
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09-19-09 12:30 PM - Post#1774647    
    In response to drummertom

I stand corrected. The powermasrter catalog shows that starter as a 9 tooth starter. Their p/n is 603.
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jeffs55 
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09-19-09 12:31 PM - Post#1774648    
    In response to drummertom

Yeah, try the tap, tap trick. If you have a plastic hammer, start with that.
If it don't pop loose, you might try gently prying on the gear (if you can get to it) with a screwdriver to see if it will move out.
If that fails, pull the starter and take it to AutoZone and have them check it out for free.
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52chevybob 
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09-19-09 03:30 PM - Post#1774731    
    In response to jeffs55

First off, that the starter motor is turning indicates that the solenoid core is moving to the end of its travel. You don't get the motor to turn otherwise!
Since you didn't see the gear move, the other problem will be with the lever bearing has given way and isn't moving the gear out to the ring gear. A starter removal tho to see what it is.

 
No_Dice 
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09-19-09 08:22 PM - Post#1774896    
    In response to 52chevybob

Hit it with a hammer.


 
busyguy8 
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09-19-09 08:26 PM - Post#1774898    
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ok you guys, just got home from a long day, but decided to hit the starter with a hammer like back in the day, still no luck.

I pull te starter, and try jumping it with my battery charger, but it will not spin at all.. Would this be an appropriate way to check to see if the starter will even engage?

If so, there is a speed shop open for a few hours tomorrow, so I will go buy another.
-bg8
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09-19-09 09:12 PM - Post#1774915    
    In response to busyguy8

Vic Hubbard is open on Sundays
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busyguy8 
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09-19-09 09:18 PM - Post#1774920    
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You hit it on the head, Tommy, that's where I'm going. They are the only local speed shop open, wanna join me in the morning?
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09-19-09 09:30 PM - Post#1774929    
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Brian is going to call about 10 ish I want to be home or I would go. Stop by on the way home if you like
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MilesB 
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09-19-09 09:47 PM - Post#1774936    
    In response to 57TOMMY

I had some problems with a Powermaster. The plunger was popping out the back instead of the front. Not sure why, but I fixed it pretty easy with a bolt to keep the plunger on the right side. That's not your problem, but they are a pretty simple device to take apart and fix if you are used to electrical stuff.
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09-19-09 11:53 PM - Post#1774970    
    In response to MilesB

ok, so I just thought of something. MY battery charger is a low amp slow charger, so I decided to jump the charger straight to the battery, and observed the same thing as when it was mounted. The gear spins, but does not protrude.

I can't help but to think it's some sort of retainer or spring that is broken or come loose.
Aquired a '56 2dr hdtp BelAir on 6/9/05!
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09-20-09 10:32 AM - Post#1775148    
    In response to busyguy8

I had to change starters when I bought the ZZ4 crate engine because the old one was not compatible with the new engine. Do you think that might be the issue if you bought a new crate engine?

 
busyguy8 
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09-20-09 10:37 AM - Post#1775153    
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ok.ok... this is going to be hard to admit, but if Jeff was able to give himself a Darwin award last week, I guess I can do the same.

After bench testing the starter at home last night, I got an itch to try one more thing around 1am. I went to the garage and realized I had been wiring the starter incorrectly, bypassing the switch fitting on the starter.

So after uninstalling the starter, beating it up, testing it, I finally reinstalled it and wired it up correctly, and it turned the engine over on the first try..

Thanks for all the replies and sorry to sound so stupid!
-bg8

p.s. I am VERY thankful I do not have to purchase another starter
Aquired a '56 2dr hdtp BelAir on 6/9/05!
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Edited by busyguy8 on 09-20-09 10:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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09-20-09 11:33 AM - Post#1775170    
    In response to busyguy8

yea....

 
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09-20-09 04:05 PM - Post#1775286    
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Good goin' Bill. Persistence pays off.
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09-20-09 05:56 PM - Post#1775347    
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Glad you found the problem, Darwin award or not.
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MilesB 
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09-20-09 06:41 PM - Post#1775388    
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Whew, I was a little worried there.. the Darwin awards are for people who kill themselves doing stupid stuff!
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busyguy8 
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09-20-09 06:49 PM - Post#1775398    
    In response to MilesB

Thanks guys!
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09-20-09 07:01 PM - Post#1775405    
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Glad it was an easy fix fur ya, even if it was frustrating!!!
Bruce

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