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Username Post: How hard is it to register a "bill of sale only" car in California?        (Topic#225700)
Mbikers 
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09-11-09 06:18 PM - Post#1770312    

I was wondering what the laws were in California to register a bill of sale only car? Does it mean the car is registered as a salvage? If so what does that do to the car value?

Thanks

 
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Vegas 55 
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09-11-09 06:34 PM - Post#1770318    
    In response to Mbikers

Do you not have a title?

 
6-bangertim 
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09-12-09 12:41 AM - Post#1770452    
    In response to Mbikers

I have a club buddy that works for the State and seems to be well versed in the ways of the DMV. I'll try to contact him to find out or PM me at 6-bangertim@cox.net and maybe I can hook you up direct with him for some answers.

Glad you were able to find our club and attend our meeting on Wed. nite, enjoyed our chat afterwords. I also have a lead on a '57 150 2dr. sedan, needs a good home and some TLC!

Best Wishes, Tim
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Mbikers 
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09-12-09 08:23 AM - Post#1770567    
    In response to 6-bangertim

Thanks Tim! I appreciate it! I enjoyed our talk as well. Right now I'm looking at a project Bel Air Sport Coupe. It still may not happen, but the seller said that he only has a bill of sale for the car. So thus, no title!


 
wagonman100 
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09-12-09 11:52 AM - Post#1770668    
    In response to Mbikers

What is the Cali. law on obtaining a duplicate title? In MD you only need the last registered owners signature. So if he ever had the car registered and the law is the same there, it would be easy enough to get a duplicate title. If he never registered it or the law differs there, it may become a bit more sticky. If they only need the last registered owners signature but he never registered it, send me a PM. I know of a way to make you the registered owner with no need for a title, then all you need to do is fill out and sign the appropriate form in CA. But it involves paying taxes and registration fees twice.
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Hugo 
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09-12-09 09:41 PM - Post#1770938    
    In response to Mbikers

Bill of Sale is often done when the owner can't find the pink slip or doesn't want to wait or pay for a duplicate title.

Salvage cars have titles that state Salvage on them.

Salvage cars have a lower resale value because something bad happened to it to go Salvage.
Accident,Theft,Flood etc......

For a buyer a Salvage car can be a great deal if the rebuilder did a good job or a nightmare if the he mickey moused it.

If you have AAA it's easy.AAA makes registering a car a breeze. My 55' was a Bill of Sale car. It was no longer in the DMV computer since it was last registered in 74'. If it is off the DMV computer you will need to do a VIN verification, Statement of facts before registering. My 57' Nash Metropolitan also was a Bill of Sale car I needed a safety inspection. Brakes,headlights, wipers.... You should have no problem.



 
streeter 
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09-16-09 12:51 PM - Post#1773019    
    In response to Hugo

You need to be very careful when purchasing an old car with an application for dup. in CAl.

Several years ago, I know of a gentleman that puchased a 55 hardtop shell at San Diego III with an application for dup. and went to register it and the DMV put a hold on the title, the guy got a phone call from the CHP telling him to tow the car to the CHP and they impounded it as stolen.
Guy was out 9 grand and it turns out that

"probably"

the seller of the hot car was in cahoots with the registered owner but nothing could get proved and the original registered owner got the shell back.

What the interim seller "probably" did was switch the top sheet of the Application for Dup. with another sheet and forged the DMV stamp and replaced the staple exactly where it should have been so nothing looked out of place.

Be careful........the reasons for not getting a title on an old car are almost all economic...the seller wants to save a few bucks or doesn't want another car in his name or something like that. Find out why he doesn't have a title and watch his mannerisms very carefully when he gives you a slack answer.

additional: a 'smart' person who really owns the car, just says he lost the title ---the car has been in the back yard for years and off the road, and pays a few bucks and gets the title.

JMHO



Edited by streeter on 09-16-09 12:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
cdmhenry 
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09-17-09 09:14 AM - Post#1773478    
    In response to streeter

  • streeter Said:

""the reasons for not getting a title on an old car are almost all economic.""




Very nicely explained Streeter, and very accurate IMO, except I would say any car, not just an old car.
Much of the problem lies with the CA. DMV - they don't know the purpose for their existance. A shining example of a government agency that does not govern. They process more child support and alimony documents daily than vehicle registrations. The CA. DMV trumps decisions made by judicial courts!

In answer to the question - you cannot register a car with a bill of sale. A bill of sale does not make a salvage title.
You must obtain a title and that can be difficult to impossible when you have to depend on the CA. DMV.
I know, I have a CJ7 given to me by a friend who had misplaced the title. Everything is legit - I have a glovebox full of old insurance cards, registrations and even the correct plates. He moved, changed his phone number and I don't know where he lives now. Because of legislation to protect peoples identities - the CA. DMV will not give me his address. Lately, the trend to get older vehicles off the road has made things worse.

Hugo must have titled his cars some years ago...
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arnieg141 
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09-17-09 09:25 AM - Post#1773493    
    In response to cdmhenry

to find the guy gave you the jeep try classmates and they have other sites on there page for a price since you have a lot of info on previse owener they can find him for you.
  • cdmhenry Said:
  • streeter Said:

""the reasons for not getting a title on an old car are almost all economic.""




Very nicely explained Streeter, and very accurate IMO, except I would say any car, not just an old car.
Much of the problem lies with the CA. DMV - they don't know the purpose for their existance. A shining example of a government agency that does not govern. They process more child support and alimony documents daily than vehicle registrations. The CA. DMV trumps decisions made by judicial courts!

In answer to the question - you cannot register a car with a bill of sale. A bill of sale does not make a salvage title.
You must obtain a title and that can be difficult to impossible when you have to depend on the CA. DMV.
I know, I have a CJ7 given to me by a friend who had misplaced the title. Everything is legit - I have a glovebox full of old insurance cards, registrations and even the correct plates. He moved, changed his phone number and I don't know where he lives now. Because of legislation to protect peoples identities - the CA. DMV will not give me his address. Lately, the trend to get older vehicles off the road has made things worse.

Hugo must have titled his cars some years ago...


GET ER DONE .. AS I GET OLDER I LIKE FAST CARS I CAN STILL DRIVE. AND VERY SLOW WOMEN I CAN CATCH while still able..arnie garrison


 
arnieg141 
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09-17-09 09:29 AM - Post#1773498    
    In response to Mbikers

where did you get car from. if out of cal can the previse ower go to his state dmv for a title for you
GET ER DONE .. AS I GET OLDER I LIKE FAST CARS I CAN STILL DRIVE. AND VERY SLOW WOMEN I CAN CATCH while still able..arnie garrison


 
streeter 
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09-17-09 02:49 PM - Post#1773689    
    In response to cdmhenry

CDMHENRY,

A possible solution to your problem is to pick up a 'lien sale packet' from the CAL DMV, and just go through the motions.

30 days after you send a certified letter to the last known address of your seller(and it gets returned to you as undeliverable), I believe you can begin to process the application for lien title.

I'm no expert and I pay a guy to do my DMV for me but I believe that is what he does. If you want someone to cut through the red tape...my guy is THEE GUY. He does all the motorcycle verifications for the southern half of CAL in the San Bernardino office of the CHP and when he is verifing...he also is teaching the CHP how to do it but they just don't get it. His name is Bob Stark and he is THEE guy to go to if you are not able to do it yourself. Email me at streeterchrome@hotmail. com----------------and I'll give you his email address. He did mention to me recently that since the DMV is a mess right now, he's about 50 titles behind. All he does is give the DMV money and he gets 15 minutes twice a week by appointment.

When anyone can figure out the CAL DMV, the world will be a better place.

 
Hugo 
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09-17-09 10:15 PM - Post#1773908    
    In response to cdmhenry

I registered and titled the cars about 7 years ago on the 55' and maybe 4 on the CJ-5. both Bill of Sale and a Statement of Facts form

 
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