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Username Post: 1955 Chevy Oil Filter Canister        (Topic#192746)
55heavychevy 
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06-25-08 08:47 AM - Post#1463763    

I have a 1955 w/265. The oil filter canister was painted many years ago chevy orange. I recently dipped the canister. There appeared to be blue paint under the orange (too bad I did not scan). Anyways, What color blue and orange is correct? I've been told by one person that is is not the V8 orange and 6cyl blue for that period.

Anybody know where to match the colors (buy the paint) or advise me otherwise?

 
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55RedRagtop 
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06-25-08 09:10 AM - Post#1463778    
    In response to 55heavychevy

The OEM colors are AC logo colors. All the AC advertising or litature was printed in these colors. There are no formulas for it. I had it custom matched years ago using my NOS filter, in single stage urethane. The orange is NOT Chevy engine orange, but more of an orange yellow mix.

The blue is a strange blue/violet/gray color.

Both colors are flat to semi flat in gloss level.

The lids were always orange and the main body blue. Unless Factory supplied. Which I have never seen on an original car. Dealers installed them right out of the AC box. They were also available from the parts department, and outside parts houses. AC was a seperate company back then.

Mikey

 
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06-25-08 10:58 AM - Post#1463852    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

Mikey,
Wasn't the A/C oil filter the only one that was black? I've never heard of a non-A/C filter that was anything but blue & orange.
By A/C, I mean Air Conditioning.
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Edited by cdmhenry on 06-25-08 10:59 AM. Reason for edit: defined A/C

 
Pack_Rat 
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06-25-08 11:11 AM - Post#1463859    
    In response to cdmhenry

I have one that is all black with white lettering on the lid. It came from a fairly low mile car. Isn't this correct for the factory installed filters? This wasn't an air conditioned car. Also, didn't the oil filter for air have a different mount?

Ernie

Edited by Pack_Rat on 06-25-08 11:19 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
55RedRagtop 
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06-25-08 03:02 PM - Post#1464012    
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I have one that is all black with white lettering on the lid. It came from a fairly low mile car.



I have never seen one that was "for Sure." That is not to mean that they do not exist.

I have only had one filter for an AC car. It was blue. The base is a cast iron part. The thermostat housing is a part of the filter base. This is because the filter is on the Left side. The top is the filter can turned upside down. It has a special bolt that goes in from the top. The bolt is hollow with holes in the sides to force the oil into the filter element. I have photos if anyone wants some. I will send it to them direct. I cannot post it here.

Mikey

 
brad_bb 
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06-25-08 03:44 PM - Post#1464053    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

Though this picture of my filter does not very accurately depict what the blue actually looks like in person, I believe it to be very close to the original. I used 3 original filter canisters cleaned to show the blue paint that was left on them, and matched the blue and the orange of the lids with PPG DCC single stage urethane. If you want to go that route, let me know and I will post the mix numbers so you can have your local PPG dealer mix them for you. The urethane will hold up better than any spray bomb, something to keep in mind. I also had stencils made for the lettering. I prepare the stencil and place it on the already orange painted lid and mask the rest off. Then I use the blue paint from the filter housing and put it in my airbrush and go over the stencil with two light coats. The pull up the stencil and it looks like the factory silk screen and not some shiney sticker.
If someone else can design it, I sure as heck can figure out how to fix it!


 
Gene_Schneider 
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06-25-08 03:46 PM - Post#1464055    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

The dealer installed filters were blue with and orange lid. If the filter was ordered as a factory option it was black with ivory lettering around the rim of the lid. Other than the color they were the same filter.
The 1950-61 6 Cyl used the same filters and colors (eccept the mounting bracket was different)....The 1962 6 Cyl had a factory installed filter as standard equipment so all were black.
ChevGene 1934 Master sedan 1939 Master DeLuxe Town Sedan 1950 Styline DeLuxe Power Glide 1957 Nomad 283 PG 1963 Corvair Convertible


 
55heavychevy 
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06-25-08 04:38 PM - Post#1464090    
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Thank you RedRag. Yes if you can post the Codes it would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I did a small search of 1950s AC Delco items for sale and yes indeed I see AC packaging that is a familar blue/orange.
1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



 
Jalapeno 
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06-25-08 04:44 PM - Post#1464093    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

Mikey!!! Did you forget that my 55 has a black oil filter? You saw it before and after restoration (and a lot DURING restoration!!) And I'll remind you this car has been in the family since new, so I am certain it's completely original in every way, with not a trace of blue or orange under the black paint when I beadblasted and restored it.
Jalapeno


 
55RedRagtop 
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06-25-08 06:08 PM - Post#1464152    
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Mikey!!! Did you forget that my 55 has a black oil filter? You saw it before and after restoration (and a lot DURING restoration!!)



The photos are fake and my memory before head injury is blank. That is my story and I'm sticking to it......

Oppppps

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55RedRagtop 
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06-25-08 06:18 PM - Post#1464161    
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Welcome to Chevy Talk!!!!!

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Yes if you can post the Codes it would be greatly appreciated.




Custom mix. Saddly I don't have the codes, The formula was Sikkens and they no longer make that product. When I asked about converting it, they said it would be almost impossible because the pigments used are not the same. So I could not match it. I did have a quart of the blue, however that is almost gone. I guess I better do a spray out and have this custom photo matched. If it can be done correctly. It will not help you now however.

The lid is Imron 60659U M

Mikey

 
Jalapeno 
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06-25-08 09:19 PM - Post#1464333    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

  • 55RedRagtop Said:
The photos are fake and my memory before head injury is blank. That is my story and I'm sticking to it......

Mikey



In that case: Welcome to Chevy Talk!

This condition of yours could actually come in handy, especially in regards to household chores, when the dinner check comes, etc, etc. How can I duplicate it for myself?
Jalapeno


 
55RedRagtop 
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06-26-08 06:26 AM - Post#1464484    
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This condition of yours could actually come in handy, especially in regards to household chores, when the dinner check comes, etc, etc. How can I duplicate it for myself?




I don't recomend it. It's not all its cracked up to be.........

I better watch my comments better, or stop posting information......don't want people to get the wrong information.

Mikey

 
brad_bb 
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06-26-08 09:40 AM - Post#1464624    
    In response to 55RedRagtop

55heavychevy,
Were you asking me for the PPG codes or no? In the post above you first addressed redragtop, but the post was in reply to me.
If someone else can design it, I sure as heck can figure out how to fix it!


 
55heavychevy 
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06-26-08 10:23 AM - Post#1464663    
    In response to brad_bb

Woops! I'm a newbie. Yes Brad_bb, my reply should have been to you about the PPC mix numbers.

My car has been in storage of 20+ years and I would like to revive it (get it running - so I pulled the canister to clean). I like the blue/orange better, than black. I could paint it black for now, but if not too difficult I would prefer to paint it blue/orange before I reattach to the engine.

Also, BTW my car is unrestored and will not be a car show any time soon (other then "unrestored" or "WIP" example of a Delray). Thus "close" is good for me.

Thanks


1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



 
55heavychevy 
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06-26-08 10:36 AM - Post#1464671    
    In response to Pack_Rat

You said your canister is black. So did another poster. Some say they are blue/orange. Some say it is black if factory installed. Some say it is blue/orange if dealer installed.

I wonder if it has something to do with "when" the car was built? Maybe those built early had one type over another type. It would seem to me the early production "would not" have the factory installed version. Or maybe it had something to do with where it was built.

My 55 was built in Los Angeles and its VIN number is in the 50k range (early?). I think my canister was blue/orange.

What do you think about the early production or plant idea making the difference?
1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



 
55heavychevy 
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06-26-08 10:40 AM - Post#1464673    
    In response to Jalapeno

See my reply to Pack_Rat.
1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



 
Gene_Schneider 
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06-26-08 10:53 AM - Post#1464683    
    In response to 55heavychevy

Its has nothing to do with when the car was built-it has EVERYTHING to do with when the filter was installed.
Factory installed were black.....\
Dealer installed or if purchased over the parts counter filter was orange and blue.
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55heavychevy 
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06-26-08 12:12 PM - Post#1464756    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

I originally thought the 1955 V8 was made without the oil filter and that the canister was not factory installed. Was the factory installed canister common or rare? It seems odd that a customer, when buying the car, would have the option of a factory installed oil filter. It would seem that every customer would want an oil filter.

Factory installed or not seems to beg the questions:

1) Was it a customer option
2) Was it added in the factory in early/late production runs
3) Was it added only in certain factories

Did the 1956 also have the same "with or without" oil filter issue?

1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



 
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06-26-08 03:06 PM - Post#1464862    
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The buyers were very "cheap" back then. In the dealership where I was employed they pushed an oil filter mainly on cars with hydraulic lifters. This includes both the 6 and 8 cyl engines. There was a lot of lifter and sludge problems back then if oil wasn't changed often.
It was also cheaper for the dealer to install the filter rather than order it from the factory.
A friend of mine bought a used Hertz Rental 1955 in 1956 and it had the black filter. When we looked at the Hertz fleet of cars for sale they all had oil filters (black).
Note that the factory installed filters for 6 Cyl. cars was also black....going back to 1950.
The 1960 Corvair was the first Chevrolet to have a throw-away full flow oil filter. The factory installed filters on those were even black. Later changed to blue and then white.
The oil filter was a factory option from 1956 and up for the V8 but was a mandtory option.The first year it was included in the price of the car was about 1961. The oil filter was option # 237 in 1957 and cost the dealer $8.65. (it was standard on the Vette)
The directional signals were also optional in 1955 (#101) but you could not buy a car in the US with out them. Its not unusual to find a Canadian car with out directionals.
Some 1956-57 trucks (V-8) came without an oil filter. There was a plate bolted over the opening and it had no by=pass adapter in the cavity. The complete filter was available for installation with adapter with by-pass valve, canister, and element....for $10.75 retail (in 1959).
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Edited by Gene_Schneider on 06-26-08 03:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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06-26-08 09:54 PM - Post#1465140    
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Yeah, it was always my general understanding that when the 55's first came out in Aug or Sept of '54, they didn't have an oil filter as standard equipment. I understood that it wasn't even available on non-AC cars in the first couple months of production, but I don't know if that's true. It has also been my understanding that factory installed ones were black, and dealer installed ones were blue/orange. I do suspect that it was possible to get a blue and orange one from on a factory vehicle if for some reason the line was in a pinch and needed a filter to fill that order and ran out of black ones temporarily. Gene, it seems we went through this same topic some years ago. It's like deja vu. I guess it's bound to happen on all topics sooner or later.
If someone else can design it, I sure as heck can figure out how to fix it!


 
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06-27-08 04:59 AM - Post#1465236    
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I've never seen an oil filter canaster on a '55 chevy. I geuss the old man's 56 blue flame had one but I was too young to take any notice.

Would someone mind posting a pick of the set up please?
Ta
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06-27-08 01:51 PM - Post#1465623    
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Not the greatest pic.
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06-27-08 10:12 PM - Post#1465890    
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  • brad_bb Said:
Yeah, it was always my general understanding that when the 55's first came out in Aug or Sept of '54, they didn't have an oil filter as standard equipment. I understood that it wasn't even available on non-AC cars in the first couple months of production, but I don't know if that's true. (snipped)



That would make sense with what Gene was saying about hydraulic lifters. My understanding is that the early production cars mainly came with mechanical lifters. Or was that manual trans cars?
Brad, any chance of talking you into posting the PPG codes? I may have to paint my canister blue and orange since the black ones don't exist.

 
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06-28-08 07:30 PM - Post#1466371    
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I got the paint cans out today, and they are in the older defunct DAU. They were standard colors and not custom, so the PPG library should be able to convert them to DCC.
DAU 18444 Blue
DAU 60518 H Orange (Ford)

These colors correctly match the original 55 oil filter canisters I had. Any PPG dealer should be able to call the PPG library to cross reference the formula for DCC. I did find the number on line once and called myself.
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06-28-08 07:55 PM - Post#1466387    
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Brad bb, thanks for the info. I personally like the blue/orange version better and will use your codes to replicate. I am in the early process of matching the numbers on my car. My car was built in Van Nuys in May 1955. I think it had a blue canister.
1955 Red/White Delray Club Coupe

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL269/11357194/2034...



Edited by 55heavychevy on 06-28-08 07:57 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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06-28-08 10:11 PM - Post#1466453    
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I like the blue and orange too. Using the clear sticker they sell for the lid lettering is really cheap looking though in my opinion. That's why I did the stencil.
If someone else can design it, I sure as heck can figure out how to fix it!


 
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06-29-08 03:56 AM - Post#1466480    
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Woah,, thanks for the pic Jalapeno, I never considered it would be mounted at the front

You learn something new everyday
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06-29-08 02:42 PM - Post#1466858    
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Thanks for posting the paint codes Brad!

Ernie

 
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07-01-08 09:40 AM - Post#1468171    
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The following link is not the PPG library, but a retailer on the web(in CA). I emailed them and they said they can convert the code and mix it in DCC and mail it in quantities as small as a pint.
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/
I haven't bought from them before, but it's an option.
Just give them the codes I gave and tell them they are DAU codes and you need it in DCC.
Regards,
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