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Username Post: Vortec 4200 I6 in a '54        (Topic#192372)
slosteve 
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06-19-08 11:13 PM - Post#1460121    

I'm looking for any info on putting one of these Hi-tech 6's with the 4L60E into my "54 Sedan Delivery. I already put a post on the Trailblazer forum. This engine appears to have a front sump oil pan, for starters, but I think that it would make a nice powerplant for this car - 275 HP out of an inline with great fuel mileage. Hopefully, I wouldn't have to trim those firewall braces either. I believe that GM started producing them in '02. Howell Engine Components will rework the harness and ECM if it will fit.
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patgizz 
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06-20-08 11:21 AM - Post#1460434    
    In response to slosteve

if you need any images or measurements let me know, i have one on the stand. i want to find a 40's chevy coupe to put it into.

 
slosteve 
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06-20-08 05:30 PM - Post#1460700    
    In response to patgizz

I sure could use some images. What vehicle was your 6 removed from? Wikepedia says that they were used in the Olds Bravada, Buick Rainier, Saab 9-7 and the Isuzu Ascender as well as the Trailblazer and the Envoy.
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Royer 
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06-21-08 07:51 AM - Post#1460945    
    In response to slosteve

Those vehicle models you mention are really ALL essentially the same GM vehicle (just a few different outer panels and trim - some with slightly elongated rear quarters).

Royer

 
VintageCarryall 
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06-21-08 08:15 AM - Post#1460949    
    In response to Royer

Another thought may be to use a Chevy Colorado 5 cylinder if fitment is too much of a hassle with the Six.
1994 Dodge Caravan SWB 3.3L V6
1962 Studebaker Lark 4 door 350 Chevy/TH350



 
VintageCarryall 
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06-21-08 08:15 AM - Post#1460950    
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Duplicate post
1994 Dodge Caravan SWB 3.3L V6
1962 Studebaker Lark 4 door 350 Chevy/TH350



Edited by VintageCarryall on 06-21-08 08:17 AM. Reason for edit: Computer glitched

 
VintageCarryall 
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06-21-08 08:15 AM - Post#1460951    
    In response to Royer

Duplicate post
1994 Dodge Caravan SWB 3.3L V6
1962 Studebaker Lark 4 door 350 Chevy/TH350



Edited by VintageCarryall on 06-21-08 08:17 AM. Reason for edit: Computer glitched

 
raycow 
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06-21-08 08:31 AM - Post#1460961    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Does the 5 cylinder have the same front sump oil pan layout as the 6?

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Bad270 
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06-21-08 11:50 AM - Post#1461049    
    In response to patgizz

Could you install it in a 56 w three on the tree?
Is it available as a crate engine? I searched but couldn't find one.
Bud

 
Mike JW 
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06-21-08 04:10 PM - Post#1461167    
    In response to Bad270

Don't the 5 cyl motors come in the Small Hummer?
Thanks Mike


 
VintageCarryall 
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06-21-08 06:12 PM - Post#1461225    
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  • Mike JW Said:
Don't the 5 cyl motors come in the Small Hummer?
Thanks Mike



Yes; they do (or at least did). The H3 is built on the Colorado, etc. platform.

Too; in at least the pickups, the Five was also available with a manual shift. I am not sure if the 4.2 TrailBlazer motor was ever offered with a stick.
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wagonmaster 
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06-22-08 09:03 AM - Post#1461519    
    In response to VintageCarryall

I hope you get this done, I'm betting it's a swap of the future! I remember Hot Rod or Car Craft doing a feature on a '63-'64 Chevy II 2 dr. post car with a 4.3 V-6 and 700R4 trans, (might've been a 200-4R) anyway, it was light weight, reasonably quick and very fuel efficient! This type of swap (6 cylinder engines) could be the wave of the future for some of these cars that came equipped with I-6 or smaller engines!
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Mike JW 
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06-22-08 05:00 PM - Post#1461735    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Thanks for the info. I put a 292 in my 50 and love it. Its to long but you can't have everything, if I were to start again might look into the 5cyl engine. Mike


Edited by Mike JW on 06-22-08 05:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
51Pontiac 
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06-23-08 05:08 AM - Post#1461983    
    In response to Mike JW

I have the I5 (3.7l) in my H3 and it seems to be a good little engine. It has around 240hp and pulls quite nicely. I get around 23mpg (Imperial gallons). Watch out for the versions prior to 2007 though as a fairly large number had a valve/head issue and several of these had the head replaced to fix it.
I think one of these engines would be an excellent swap especially if the fuel injection setup could be managed properly

 
scotte 
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06-23-08 09:30 AM - Post#1462175    
    In response to 51Pontiac

i am currently putting a vortec 4200 in a 98 wranger

i wired it up myself and everything works including the trailblazer speedometer

i had to reflash the computer to remove the anti theft as well as a slew of codes (no bcm etc)

here's images http://picasaweb.google.com/scott.elenbaas/Vortec4...

Edited by scotte on 06-23-08 09:31 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
VintageCarryall 
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06-23-08 06:33 PM - Post#1462552    
    In response to 51Pontiac

  • 51Pontiac Said:
I have the I5 (3.7l) in my H3 and it seems to be a good little engine. It has around 240hp and pulls quite nicely. I get around 23mpg (Imperial gallons). Watch out for the versions prior to 2007 though as a fairly large number had a valve/head issue and several of these had the head replaced to fix it.
I think one of these engines would be an excellent swap especially if the fuel injection setup could be managed properly



The 2006 down GM Five bangers were actually 3.5L motors.
1994 Dodge Caravan SWB 3.3L V6
1962 Studebaker Lark 4 door 350 Chevy/TH350



 
Mike JW 
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06-23-08 06:46 PM - Post#1462574    
    In response to scotte

That should be a great motor for your jeep. Lots more ponys. Good luck with it. And welcome to CT. Mike


 
51Pontiac 
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06-24-08 07:36 AM - Post#1462888    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Vintage,

You are correct - the 2006 and older were a 3.5L I5 rated at 220 hp, my 2007 has the 3.7L I5 rated at 242 hp. The engine is a bit noisy in the H3 and is not a powerhouse but is more than acceptable. It is coupled to the 4L60 4sp auto so would be quite reliable I think.
hmmmm - maybe this would be a good choice for my 54 International pickup!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Atlas_engine

 
Royer 
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06-24-08 11:29 AM - Post#1463079    
    In response to 51Pontiac

I've experienced the stock 4.2 Litre I6 with the 4-speed automatic in the Trailblazer myself. My feeling was that the engine and transmission were great, but that the Trailblazer was far heavier than it should have been for its' size. As a result, performance was only so-so. I think the I5 in something like a cornbinder pickup would be similarly challanged.

Royer

 
51Pontiac 
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Loc: Lethbridge Alberta
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06-24-08 12:39 PM - Post#1463127    
    In response to Royer

Royer,
I can totally agree about the weight - the H3 is fairly heavy as well.
You are right about the performance though I am past the need for anything extreme (been there - done that). If I can get similar performance to the H3 I would be happy and I think what I like about the idea of the inline in the International (or one of our cars) is the idea of getting back to that old style of being creative instead of following the norm. (As I say that it sounds sort of contradictory with the 350 in my 51 Pontiac but that was 20 years ago that I did that install.)
I do know that the I5 really loves to cruise at about 2000 rpm in the Hummer and feels like it could do that forever without issue. The aerodynamics would be about the same. (box going through the air!!)
Anyway, it sure is nice to see the creative thoughts going on this forum. The Wrangler project looks like a very good example of ingenuity and planning.

Have a good afternoon folks!


 
patgizz 
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06-24-08 07:41 PM - Post#1463490    
    In response to 51Pontiac

here are some quick shots of mine on the stand from when i brought it home.

i've learned 2wd and 4wd share the same oil pan, the diff just bolts to/through a tunnel in it.

speartech will modify the harness for stand alone and reprogram the PCM for same including removal or any/all emissions items.





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slosteve 
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06-24-08 08:31 PM - Post#1463527    
    In response to patgizz

Thanx for the photos, they are very helpful. Is the engine still on the stand? Could you measure the distance from, say, the front of the sump to the flexplate or rear of the block? I'm going to use a Mustang II front x-member on my '54 and it appears by your photos that it just might fit in there. Where did you find your engine & did you get the trans with it? Would you care to divulge how much you had to give for what you got and how many miles it has on it? As I haven't bought one yet, I'm wondering what a good price for one would be.
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patgizz 
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06-25-08 06:48 AM - Post#1463697    
    In response to slosteve

mine did not come with trans. any colorado/canyon/SUV tranny that came with the 4200 or the atlas series inline 5's or 4's works.

mine came from a recycler in i think kansas and i paid around $700 including freight and got the engine complete with all accessories, hoses, belt, flexplate, starter, ECM, wiring harness, and even the exhaust system from the manifold back to the first joint behind the catalytic converter so they gave me about 5 feet of exhaust system to work with. they even included the front differential which i can sell to make some $ back. it has 40,000 miles on it.

i can get some measurements.

 
bobg1951chevy 
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06-25-08 06:58 AM - Post#1463703    
    In response to Royer

I have a 2002 TrailBlazer as my personal vehicle. It has 129K on it now, but I purchased it new. I travel from GA to OH during the year ....I always maintain 22 MPG .... driving in a REASONABLE fashion, always have had enough get up and go with the 4.2 in every condition, have towed my 5000 lb trailer, or my '51' Chevy, without a fuss.

I'm pleased with the 4.2, think it has served me well.

Bob
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