Gain extra benefits by becoming a Supporting Member Click here find out how!
Silver
Gold ***Platinum***
50chev1067 (2)Don H (5)Runningon6zonk2ajoda (6)
ShoeboxTOMD45 buscobill56chev72 kstad Daves 57 Bel Air (7)
Ev the Swedecoachfrank casaderoBig T (9)hubba-hubbaKingy
Steve_Rivard L72Belair Capricesport66 (5)1959.Biscayne
1963SBHD (4)Dean50 (8)Backyardbuild
elvis (7)NamGrunt66
walkthru
jumbojim (3)
InkaholicMike (3)
Classic Performance Products
Ciadella Interiors American Auto Wire Art Morrison.com
Exile® Battery Keeper™ 6/12 volt charger w/ LED battery monitor
Hellwig Products IncPerformance Rod & Custom
Impala Bob's Bob's Chevy Trucks Bob's Chevelle Parts Bob's Classic Chevy

  >> Switch to Mobile Version <<

Recent Hot Topics
Current Quote
"I have noticed that there are tons of requests for help from all over the place me included and I would just like to give a big thanks to all the people who keep this up and going and are there to help us all out learning about some of these things."
~ New Member
Recent Topics
Join the Community today
**
New ** Easy eBay Search Tool







 Page 1 of 2 ALL12
Username Post: Pertronix Ignitor        (Topic#179588)
ToddVanSlyke 
Newbie
Posts: 43

Age: 66
Loc: Chicago Area
Reg: 09-26-07
01-14-08 10:13 AM - Post#1342487    

I'm (relatively) new here and I'm sure this has been addressed but, what the hey, right? What's the opinion of the Pertronix Ignitor electronic ignition thingamabob for a '57 small block? Does it work as advertised? Is it easy to install? Lots of fiddling or does it just do its job efficiently?

Sure would like to install one in my car but I want to know if it's worth it.

Thanks for your help!

Todd
All things considered, a day in the garage is much better than a day in the office.


 
This Forum is Sponsored by

bobsclassicchevy.com
Ronnie44 
Senior Member
Posts: 9041
Ronnie44
Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
Reg: 12-23-03
01-14-08 10:31 AM - Post#1342500    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

Easy installation and works as advertised. The instructions were easy to follow and installation was pretty straight forward. I never had problems with mine but others have had them crap out. Always a good idea to keep the points, just in case. If you use the Pertronix coil that is supposed to increase the voltage, make sure that your ignition wires are up to the task and don't forget to increase your plug gap per the instructions.
In memory of George K Fullam(Goodwrench) Died 31 Mar 2005

To view my '57 Bel Air, and my previous '55 & '56 hardtops and '56 Corvette: Click Here


 
57tim 
Valued Contributor
Posts: 2695
57tim
Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA
Reg: 11-09-01
01-14-08 11:21 AM - Post#1342528    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

I have a Crane points eliminator and have heard zero problems with them. Cost about $85.
57 Bel Air 2dr Ht
327 700r4
http://www.picturetrail.com/tmneid


 
502-fivespeed-57hardtop 
Contributor
Posts: 325
502-fivespeed-57hardtop
Loc: CT.
Reg: 09-15-07
01-14-08 08:29 PM - Post#1342910    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

I had a spare Pertronix set for one of my cars but then I rebuilt and used the HEI that came on the motor originally . I have a good friend that bought my late Brothers 57 Bel Air 4 door sedan with the original tired 283 2 brl. automatic. One day as he was visiting he told me how poorly the car was running, I remembered the Pertronix set and I gave it to him along with a spare distributor and told him to try it out. 2 days later he called me in excitement telling me how well the 57 ran now and that he actually got it to go up to 80 miles an hour on the highway, remember this was the original, never been out of the car, well over 100,000 mile motor, with constant blow-by, and was nursed along for many years by my late Brother. Well he has since rebuilt the bottom end, added an original power pack set up, and still has the Pertronix on the motor and its still working great so go ahead and give it a try, got to be better than changing points every 5000 miles, Bruce
Theres no replacement for displacement - 57 Bel Air 2 door hardtop, 502 crate motor, Richmond 5 speed, Currie 9 inch rear. 57 Bel Air 4 door wagon, 327, auto., just a fun driver car.


 
DZAUTO 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 7477

Loc: Mustang, OK, USA
Reg: 12-25-99
01-15-08 09:20 AM - Post#1343152    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

ALL of my engines with a point type distributor have the PerTronix conversion.
Before continuing, let me just say this. The PerTronix, Crane, etc. electronic conversions are just that. They are CONVERSIONS for points. They are not a super duper killer high voltage ignition system. BUT, by their nature, they do provide a better, more dependable ignition source for the engine. Things such as point bounce and the rubbing block and points wearing down are eliminated. Thus, the dwell will remain the same all the time.
For the PerTronix, when used in conjunction with a HD oil filled coil (per PerTronix recommendation), there is a definite improvement in the ignition system.
I'm not advertising for them, but I do have personal experience with PerTronix conversion units and have been quite happy with them. The oldest one that I have in use is 16yrs------------still firing great! I started out with the MSD Blaster II coil (HD oil filled) which is red and painted it black to simulate the appearance of a Delco coil. But when PerTronix introduced their Flamethrower coil, I started buying it. ZERO problems.
PerTronix makes 2 basic versions of their electronic conversion.
One uses a magnetic ring which attaches below the rotor (2 studs go where the 2 screws are for the rotor) and then the module attaches with the same 2 screws that attached the points. This unit DOES REQUIRE removal of the distributor because it is important to install shims between the bottom of the dist housing and the dist gear to remove MOST end play. Also, the magnet ring needs to be shimmed to achieve about .010-.020 gap between the magnet ring and the module. If you are comfortable removing the dist and working on it, this unit is my preferred choice.
The second version is installed with the same 2 screws that attached the points, and it senses off of the cam lobes for the point rubbing block. When installed, this version requires (or did require) that the ignition be turned on and then wait about 3-5 seconds for the module to charge up. The dist does not have to be removed for installation of this version.
Both versions have only 2 wires for connection. One wire is black and goes to the same terminal on the coil where the original balck wire connedted between the dist and coil. The second wire is red and connects to a 12v ignition source. Toooooooooooooooooooooo easy!!!!!
Tom Parsons


 
rrausch 
"13th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 10891
rrausch
Loc: L.A, Cal. & St. Louis...
Reg: 04-07-03
01-15-08 10:27 AM - Post#1343184    
    In response to DZAUTO

Ditto what Tom says. I ran a Petronix on my '54 Chevy 3/4 ton truck for 60,000 miles or so until I sold it. It had a stock 235 with 4-speed granny gear trans. When I installed the Petronix, I figured I better keep the points and cond. in the glove compartment just in case... turned out I never needed them. I sold the truck 4 years ago to a neighbor, and he is still running in.
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
OldDad 
Senior Member
Posts: 1921
OldDad
Age: 70
Loc: The Great NorthWest
Reg: 06-06-04
01-15-08 11:05 AM - Post#1343211    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

Just like everyone else I'm happy with my Pertronics in my 57. I have a 891 Dual point distributor, and the only problem was the instruction sheet is wrong for installation unless they have corrected it by now. The system does work great and I'm going to run one in my 52 hardtop with a 6 banger.
The S.O.B. from the factory...
71 1/2 ton, 64 Chevelle SS, 57 2dr Hardtop, 57 2dr Sedan, 57 Corvette, 52 2dr Hardtop, 52 2dr Sedan, and now a 49 Plymouth Coupe


 
Farm boy 
Contributor
Posts: 449
Farm boy
Loc: Central California
Reg: 11-03-07
01-15-08 11:28 AM - Post#1343228    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

I am very happy with the Pertronix Ignitor (#1181) I installed in my Camaro two years ago. I pulled the distributor to do the job. I had to shim the distributor gear to get the clearances in spec. The shims were included with the unit. The job took les than an hour with basic hand tools.

I am planning on getting a Pertronix unit (#1183) for my ’56. Has anyone here installed a Pertronix module in a 55-56 distributor? Does the 1183 use magnets or lobe sensing to trigger the unit?
Steve
1967 Camaro
1956 Bel Air


 
tmsnyder 
Senior Member
Posts: 996
tmsnyder
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Reg: 06-13-06
01-15-08 12:09 PM - Post#1343258    
    In response to DZAUTO

Here's a related question I've been pondering. If using one of these Petronix conversions, will it work with a stock overdrive system? To get the OD to kickdown into direct drive there is a circuit which grounds the points to kill the ignition. How does that work with the points-eliminating system?
'56 Chevy 4dr 210 327ci
'97 GMC K1500 Suburban 6.5TD


 
Topless57 
Contributor
Posts: 649
Topless57
Loc: Frankfort, Il.
Reg: 12-26-02
01-15-08 12:24 PM - Post#1343261    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

Todd, I put one in mine last summer and it works great. The most difficult part of the job was getting the rock hard, dried out rubber grommet out of the bottom of the distributer, to run the wire through. Where are you in Chicago?

Jack
www.picturetrail.com/topless57


 
ToddVanSlyke 
Newbie
Posts: 43

Age: 66
Loc: Chicago Area
Reg: 09-26-07
01-15-08 03:10 PM - Post#1343363    
    In response to Topless57

Thanks to you... and all... for info on the Pertronix unit. Sounds like a do-able job for this shadetree mechanic.

I live in Evanston, IL... just north of Chicago. Been here for 42 years.
All things considered, a day in the garage is much better than a day in the office.


 
triumphleroy 
Member
Posts: 2

Age: 72
Loc: New Mountain Texas
Reg: 01-22-08
01-22-08 09:10 AM - Post#1348496    
    In response to ToddVanSlyke

New to this forumn, but not new to Chevys!, and am wondering if the 1183 Pertronix is correct for the 1955 265? Wanted to install an HEI but there is a problem with oiling to this distributor if my old brain remembers correctly. My stock distributor has an oiler tube located on the side of the shaft.Ordered MSD small cap ready to run distributor, but think I remembered about this oiler problem on the 265s. Petronx says 1183 is right kit but they also told me only available in Petronix II ????? Thanks a bunch for any first hand knowledge!
ps, interesting question on the Overdrive also have several and plannig to install one in this little car.
Multiple Chevys from 1936 to 1972, Inlines, SBC. & Cummins powered 1949 Chevy One Ton Truck


Edited by triumphleroy on 01-22-08 09:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 7477

Loc: Mustang, OK, USA
Reg: 12-25-99
01-22-08 09:56 AM - Post#1348529    
    In response to triumphleroy

Yes, there is a unit for the 55-6 dist, but I don't know if the part number is 1183. Believe it or not, of all the ones that I've installed, I've only done one 55 dist and that was several years ago. Most installations have been on 57-74 style distributors.
Just to mention again, I much prefer the version with the magnet ring (1181). Yes, it is more time conduming to install this unit and also requires removal of the dist, but if nothing else, this also gives you an opportunity to clean, repair and shim the dist if needed.
Tom Parsons


 
beejay 
Ultra Senior Member
Posts: 12599
beejay
Age: 78
Loc: Pflugerville, Texas
Reg: 06-01-04
01-22-08 11:31 AM - Post#1348584    
    In response to triumphleroy

Welcome to CT. You will find that this place has the answers to your questions even before you know you have them. If you're going to do mods to your car, you can also check out the modified forum.

Oh, almost forgot. Where is New Mountain? Is it close to Old Mountain???
Bruce

'56 4-door BelAir, 350, Holley 600, Eddie intake, TKO 600, CPP P/S and A arms, Sierra Gold & Adobe Beige
2010 VW Jetta S/W, 2.5, 5-cyl,6-spd auto.
'87 Elkie, 350 with 700r4 tranny B&M floor shift
http://www.picturetrail.com/beejay3/"


Edited by beejay on 01-22-08 11:32 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
triumphleroy 
Member
Posts: 2

Age: 72
Loc: New Mountain Texas
Reg: 01-22-08
01-22-08 06:14 PM - Post#1348825    
    In response to beejay

WELL GUESS WILL JUST HAVE TO GET ONE AND INSTALL IT OR MODIFY IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
NEW MOUNTAIN IS NEAR EAST MOUNTAIN and WEST MOUNTAIN, COUPLE HUNDRED MILES NORTH EAST OF PFLUGERVILLE TAXES;nearLake O Pines, 10 miles to closet town 1/2 mile off of oiltop road.and these are all real towns in Taxes.
come on over and I'll show you my junk.
Multiple Chevys from 1936 to 1972, Inlines, SBC. & Cummins powered 1949 Chevy One Ton Truck


 
Highlander1 
"3rd Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 1405

Loc: SE North Carolina
Reg: 08-19-04
01-22-08 07:16 PM - Post#1348871    
    In response to triumphleroy

  • triumphleroy Said:
Wanted to install an HEI but there is a problem with oiling to this distributor if my old brain remembers correctly. My stock distributor has an oiler tube located on the side of the shaft.



Thanks for bringing up the question re the oiler. Is there any way that these dists (bowl type, eg 891) can be retrofitted to eliminate the need to oil it? And, to really get of track, can the generators be modified to eliminate the need for frequent oiling? Don


 
bowtieollie 
ChevyTalk Subject Matter Expert
Posts: 21117
bowtieollie
Loc: See the USA in your Chevr...
Reg: 12-06-99
01-22-08 07:24 PM - Post#1348877    
    In response to Highlander1

If you would like to stop oiling your generator with the oiling cups - you need to upgrade the bearings to SEALED type.

No more oiling required.

Distributor? You need to put a little oil in it from time to time.... There is no upgrade possible since it will not accommodate the felt to retain the oil - the later design had.

Petronix?? I am really surprised to read of all the positives with that system. I have heard nothing but problems and had to go rescue three of my GM buddies after an install.

So.... keep the points in the glove box - otherwise, you may not get home.

If it was "so good" I would have it in my vehicles - but I prefer to stay with points.
Bowtieollie
Chevytalk.com Moderator


 
Rick_L 
Honored Member
Posts: 25632

Loc: Katy, Tx, USA
Reg: 07-06-00
01-22-08 07:49 PM - Post#1348896    
    In response to bowtieollie

I put one of the original Pertronix units in a 67 283 distributor. Followed the instructions, shimmed it up the way they said - and it started missing within 5000 miles. The trigger wheel that mounts under the cap had a lot of runout and was damaged.

I don't know about the Pertronix II's reliablility good or bad. The only complaint I've heard is that you don't have fire until the ignition switch has been on several seconds.

 
Topless57 
Contributor
Posts: 649
Topless57
Loc: Frankfort, Il.
Reg: 12-26-02
01-23-08 07:24 AM - Post#1349136    
    In response to bowtieollie

Ollie, I had heard that they did have some problems with the early ones, but I guess they fixed the problem. I haven't heard anyone complain in the last couple of years.

Jack
www.picturetrail.com/topless57


 
tmsnyder 
Senior Member
Posts: 996
tmsnyder
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Reg: 06-13-06
01-23-08 08:46 AM - Post#1349163    
    In response to Topless57

Still wondering if the Pertronix system will work with an overdrive tranny......
'56 Chevy 4dr 210 327ci
'97 GMC K1500 Suburban 6.5TD


 
raycow 
Honored Member
Posts: 17995

Age: 71
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Reg: 11-26-02
01-23-08 09:24 AM - Post#1349197    
    In response to tmsnyder

  • tmsnyder Said:
Still wondering if the Pertronix system will work with an overdrive tranny......



Are you talking about keeping the O/D automatic controls? The stock hookup momentarily grounds the coil (-) terminal during kickdown. I don't believe this should harm the Pertronix module, because the module grounds that lead every time the engine fires. However, this is a question I would want to ask Pertronix first just to head off any possible warranty issues. Try sending them an email explaining how the O/D works and please post back here with their answer.

Ray
I promised to serve you. I didn't say to whom.


 
tmsnyder 
Senior Member
Posts: 996
tmsnyder
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Reg: 06-13-06
01-23-08 02:01 PM - Post#1349402    
    In response to raycow

That's what I'm wondering. Now where's that schematic......?


  • raycow Said:
  • tmsnyder Said:
Still wondering if the Pertronix system will work with an overdrive tranny......



Are you talking about keeping the O/D automatic controls? The stock hookup momentarily grounds the coil (-) terminal during kickdown. I don't believe this should harm the Pertronix module, because the module grounds that lead every time the engine fires. However, this is a question I would want to ask Pertronix first just to head off any possible warranty issues. Try sending them an email explaining how the O/D works and please post back here with their answer.

Ray



'56 Chevy 4dr 210 327ci
'97 GMC K1500 Suburban 6.5TD


 
57chevyeddie 
Member
Posts: 36

Loc: Ga.
Reg: 09-15-04
01-23-08 04:45 PM - Post#1349529    
    In response to tmsnyder

I installed the Pertronx and it has performed very well for me. Be careful to set the end play as per the instructions. I believe this is what could cause a failure. It requires removing the distributor but its allows you to set that end play properly. You definitely won't regret it.
Fast Eddie


 
OverKnight 
Member
Posts: 49

Loc: Central New Jersey
Reg: 10-29-04
03-17-10 08:04 PM - Post#1881945    
    In response to tmsnyder

I realized that I, too, never heard an answer to this question. I have a Pertronix system in my '57 Chevy 210 with the 235 six. I will be installing a manual OD transmission this year, and was concerned about burning out the Pertronix when the ignition is grounded when the transmission kicked down out of OD. I emailed Pertronix, and below is their response:

If you have a negative ground system then there won't be any problem with the kick down switch, however if this is a positive ground system, then e-mail us or give us a call at 800-827-3758.

Thank you,
Tech Dept


So, I'll give it a try. I still need to find a kickdown solenoid bracket for the six-cylinder engine, though...
"I shall pass through this world but once. Any good I can do, or any kindness that I can show any human being, let me do it now and not defer it, for I shall not pass this way again."
- Stephen Grellet


 
57CW 
Contributor
Posts: 242
57CW
Reg: 05-25-08
03-17-10 10:40 PM - Post#1882023    
    In response to bowtieollie

Ollie, I am with ya and agree.

I been using the HD point set with the hole in the middle of one side of the contacts, helps in eliminating burnout. The '57 wagon 283V8 sb and my '72 Dodge MH 360V8 sb are equipped with this HD style, never had a problem with misfire yet. I prefer it the "stock" way, if it's not broke and running fine, why fix it or change it?
Jack-57CW

1957 Chevrolet 210 Townsman wagon
57EM - ELECTRIC MISTRESS


 
bowtieollie 
ChevyTalk Subject Matter Expert
Posts: 21117
bowtieollie
Loc: See the USA in your Chevr...
Reg: 12-06-99
03-18-10 03:43 AM - Post#1882058    
    In response to 57CW

There ya go!

Over the years, I have always been able to get a vehicle back home with a bad ignition system and points.... but let the smoke out of the Petronix and she is gonna go home on a FLATBED.....
Bowtieollie
Chevytalk.com Moderator


 
tmsnyder 
Senior Member
Posts: 996
tmsnyder
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Reg: 06-13-06
03-18-10 06:48 AM - Post#1882110    
    In response to OverKnight

Hi OverKnight,

I heard the same thing from Pertronix and it does work fine with the stock overdrive setup. The connection is to the "-" side of the stock coil, right? I've been running mine like that all last summer, no problem. The 'touch down' to pass or climb hills is a sweet feature to have and it works fine with pertronix.

Todd



  • OverKnight Said:
I realized that I, too, never heard an answer to this question. I have a Pertronix system in my '57 Chevy 210 with the 235 six. I will be installing a manual OD transmission this year, and was concerned about burning out the Pertronix when the ignition is grounded when the transmission kicked down out of OD. I emailed Pertronix, and below is their response:

If you have a negative ground system then there won't be any problem with the kick down switch, however if this is a positive ground system, then e-mail us or give us a call at 800-827-3758.

Thank you,
Tech Dept


So, I'll give it a try. I still need to find a kickdown solenoid bracket for the six-cylinder engine, though...



'56 Chevy 4dr 210 327ci
'97 GMC K1500 Suburban 6.5TD


 
tmsnyder 
Senior Member
Posts: 996
tmsnyder
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Reg: 06-13-06
03-18-10 06:52 AM - Post#1882113    
    In response to OverKnight

What kickdown solenoid bracket? With the stock OD setup, there's a kickdown (KD) switch on the carb. And there's a solenoid on the OD unit on the tranny. Do you mean the switch bracket for the carb? I see those on evilbay from time to time, more common than the v8 version.

  • OverKnight Said:


So, I'll give it a try. I still need to find a kickdown solenoid bracket for the six-cylinder engine, though...




'56 Chevy 4dr 210 327ci
'97 GMC K1500 Suburban 6.5TD


 
OverKnight 
Member
Posts: 49

Loc: Central New Jersey
Reg: 10-29-04
03-18-10 08:07 PM - Post#1882572    
    In response to tmsnyder

Sorry, incorrect terminology. You're correct, I need the carburetor bracket for the kickdown switch, not solenoid.

I've looked everywhere (or, at least on eBay and Craig's List), but have never seen these bracketsm. The eight-cylinder brackets are reproducible, but not the sixes. If I had a good picture of one of these, I'd be able to recreate one. The picture in the Assembly Manual to too crude to be useful. If you find one, please let me know.

Thanks again.


- OverKnight

"I shall pass through this world but once. Any good I can do, or any kindness that I can show any human being, let me do it now and not defer it, for I shall not pass this way again."
- Stephen Grellet


 
jkarthur 
Member
Posts: 12

Reg: 03-17-03
03-19-10 07:27 PM - Post#1883112    
    In response to OverKnight

I have a spare 6 cyl kickdown switch bracket . Let me know if you still need one.

Kerry in Mississippi

 
This Forum is Sponsored by

bobsclassicchevy.com
 Page 1 of 2 ALL12
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

7716 Views
FusionBB
FusionBB™ Version 2.1
©2003-2006 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 2.177 seconds.   Total Queries: 13   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0800) Pacific. Current time is 06:42 PM
Top